cognizant dissident

Joined

• started 20 topics
• posted 2,935 times   see topics posted on
• send a message

Posts by cognizant dissident

• 
  132

  No Link Found Between Vaccine Mercury and Autism

  by leavingwt in

  1. social
  2. current

  some red meat for the anti-science crowd.

  no link found between vaccine mercury and autisma new government study adds to the evidence that thimerosal, a mercury-based preservative until recently found in many vaccines, does not increase children's risk of autism.. it shows kids who had been exposed as babies to high levels of the preservative -- through vaccines they received or their mothers received while pregnant -- were no more likely to develop autism, including two distinct subtypes of the condition.. .

  "this study should reassure parents about following the recommended immunization schedule," said dr. frank destefano, director of the immunization safety office at the centers for disease control and prevention (cdc) in atlanta, and the study's senior author.. .

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  cognizant dissident

  Welcome, to the board nolongerwaiting.

  Great first post. You completely got to the core of the issue and nailed it, which is pretty impressive for your first post.

  I agree with you about the JW mindset transferring over to other issues in life. Take my mother for example. (I mean really, someone please take my mother!)

  She was the one who first began studying with the JW's the year I was born and initiated the family into the JW organization. However, through the years she has continually spent many, many thousands of dollars on alternative medicines. Some are probably just over-priced herbs and tonics that don't do any harm. Others have been obviously quackery and she has been scammed out of many thousands over a lifetime. The problem is her. She is always looking for the quick fix, the miracle cure, that will solve all her problems without her actually having to do any work to take care of her health, like eating properly and exercising regularly.

  She is also getting more and more fearful as she gets into old age, because she can't come to terms with aging and death. She just keeps spending more and more money on anti-aging miracles. She will die penniless and afraid. She also constantly feeds her mind on the news and true murder shows. Thats all she watches (besides home shopping network). She always has a horrible story to tell about how awful the world is. It completely validates her WTBTS viewpoint. I tell her that the reason those events make the news is because they are statistical anomalies. They get ratings because they are unusual. You won't hear about the billions of people every day, who went to work, took care of their families and did nice things to help each other, on the news.

  When people refuse to look at facts and logic, there is always some type of emotional hook for them or payoff that is over-riding reason and is stronger than the human need for things to make rational sense. If you can discover what that is and address that issue, then you have a better chance of reaching them.

  I look forward to hearing more from you.
• 
  5

  Demonized

  by Liberty93 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  is it just me, or are the witnesses the only group that use "demonized" to mean that something has taken on an association with demons?

  like, "those cds are demonized.

  " just a random question i've been thinking about.. what do y'all think?.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  cognizant dissident

  They are the only people I've ever heard use the expression, but I wouldn't be surprised if there were at least a few other groups. I met someone who told me when he was young, his parents used to send him to Christian camps in the summer and they often referred to themselves as "the truth". It sounded so weird to hear someone else use this expression who wasn't JW.
• 
  19

  New JW social site...JWFind.net!

  by yknot in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://www.jwfind.net/.

  appears to have launched in spring 2009....... jwfind.net principlesa true companion is loving all the time, and is a brother that is born for when there is distress.

  (proverbs 17:17).

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  cognizant dissident

  I don't know Vampire, they have newspapers, berets and cheeses over on that site. I think it's a keeper. ;-)
• 
  132

  No Link Found Between Vaccine Mercury and Autism

  by leavingwt in

  1. social
  2. current

  some red meat for the anti-science crowd.

  no link found between vaccine mercury and autisma new government study adds to the evidence that thimerosal, a mercury-based preservative until recently found in many vaccines, does not increase children's risk of autism.. it shows kids who had been exposed as babies to high levels of the preservative -- through vaccines they received or their mothers received while pregnant -- were no more likely to develop autism, including two distinct subtypes of the condition.. .

  "this study should reassure parents about following the recommended immunization schedule," said dr. frank destefano, director of the immunization safety office at the centers for disease control and prevention (cdc) in atlanta, and the study's senior author.. .

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  cognizant dissident

  Maybe it was the fish? Just sayin'......
• 
  132

  No Link Found Between Vaccine Mercury and Autism

  by leavingwt in

  1. social
  2. current

  some red meat for the anti-science crowd.

  no link found between vaccine mercury and autisma new government study adds to the evidence that thimerosal, a mercury-based preservative until recently found in many vaccines, does not increase children's risk of autism.. it shows kids who had been exposed as babies to high levels of the preservative -- through vaccines they received or their mothers received while pregnant -- were no more likely to develop autism, including two distinct subtypes of the condition.. .

  "this study should reassure parents about following the recommended immunization schedule," said dr. frank destefano, director of the immunization safety office at the centers for disease control and prevention (cdc) in atlanta, and the study's senior author.. .

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  cognizant dissident

  The analogy of the blood issue with WTBTS is an interesting one.

  In fact, there is a higher chance of having a life threatening allergic reaction to a blood transfusion than there is a vaccination. (Human tissue and all).

  Yet, when Drs order a blood transfusion it's because statistically, the potential for benefit outweighs the for risk. We can see the wisdom in that for blood transfusions but not for the less risky vaccinations?

  Every single medical treatment offered, including alternative medical treatments, carry with them the risk of serious adverse affects. More people die from aspirin overdose every year than from vaccinations. Where is the public outcry against aspirin?

  People have died from chiropractic treatments, people have died from herbs bought from the health food store, people have died from almost every alternative medical treatment you might want to name.

  Nothing in this life is without risk. However when people single out the "evil" pharmaceutical companies as some sort of conspiracy to poison the public for monetary gain, then they have overstepped the bounds of logic. Are all the alternative medicine practitioners offering their services and products for free? At least with medical doctors, the physicians prescribing treatments to the patients are not the ones selling and profiting from the sale of the prescriptions. They get the same money regardless of what is prescribed or even if nothing is prescribed. A few will even prescribe a cheap natural remedy first for a problem. Diet, exercise, vitamins, etc.

  Can the same be said of natural practitioners who invariably also sell and profit from their own "natural" prescriptions.

  Sometimes this fear of pharmacological based medicine, stems from a lack of knowledge (and hence fear of) the process of biochemistry..

  In actual fact, every single substance on the face of this planet is made up of chemicals, including those found in alternative treatments.

  For the record, I'm not coming out for or against any type of medicine or treatment. I speaking solely for informed decision making with emphasis on the "informed" using information from a credible source.
• 
  132

  No Link Found Between Vaccine Mercury and Autism

  by leavingwt in

  1. social
  2. current

  some red meat for the anti-science crowd.

  no link found between vaccine mercury and autisma new government study adds to the evidence that thimerosal, a mercury-based preservative until recently found in many vaccines, does not increase children's risk of autism.. it shows kids who had been exposed as babies to high levels of the preservative -- through vaccines they received or their mothers received while pregnant -- were no more likely to develop autism, including two distinct subtypes of the condition.. .

  "this study should reassure parents about following the recommended immunization schedule," said dr. frank destefano, director of the immunization safety office at the centers for disease control and prevention (cdc) in atlanta, and the study's senior author.. .

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  cognizant dissident

  Hadit

  It's not that experiential knowledge means nothing, but when you are discussing the risks and benefits of mass immunizing millions of the world's children each year, it would not be wise to make that decision based on the experience of a handful of parents, whether they had a good experience or a bad experience. It is crucially important to have a size sample that is statistically significant. The big picture is very important as we are talking life or death.

  No one is saying that vaccinations cannot have disastrous side effects for some children (although autism is not one of the proven ones). I know it is of little consolation to the parents of the very rare child who does have a brain damaging reaction to a vaccine, but a look at the infant mortality rates in countries where children are mass vaccinated and in countries where they are not, is in itself very telling.

  WHO must choose the lesser of two evils, a few brain damaged children each year from the vaccine, or hundreds of thousands of dead children from the disease itself. Not to do so, would be unethical. It is also of note that children who have had serious reactions from vaccines may also have been the same children, who had they caught the disease itself if unvaccinated may have the very same complications. It is impossible to say in each case for certain. It is a numbers game, I'm afraid.
• 
  132

  No Link Found Between Vaccine Mercury and Autism

  by leavingwt in

  1. social
  2. current

  some red meat for the anti-science crowd.

  no link found between vaccine mercury and autisma new government study adds to the evidence that thimerosal, a mercury-based preservative until recently found in many vaccines, does not increase children's risk of autism.. it shows kids who had been exposed as babies to high levels of the preservative -- through vaccines they received or their mothers received while pregnant -- were no more likely to develop autism, including two distinct subtypes of the condition.. .

  "this study should reassure parents about following the recommended immunization schedule," said dr. frank destefano, director of the immunization safety office at the centers for disease control and prevention (cdc) in atlanta, and the study's senior author.. .

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  cognizant dissident

  Dosage does matter! The amount of mercury a child is exposed to in seafood is far greater than in that of a vaccine. Why don't we start with protesting the items of greatest exposure.

  Here is a link to an environmental website which lists the amount of mercury in different types of fish.

  http://www.nrdc.org/health/effects/mercury/guide.asp

  Here is a link to a sceptics article on the amount of mercury in vaccines. It's an interesting comparison. You would have only to eat 4 oz of fish from the group of moderately contaminated fish to receive the same mercury as in the flu shots.

  It is also worthy of note, that thiomersol, (the mercury containing portion of the vaccine), is no longer used in any children's vaccines. It is only used in 3 flu vaccines that are intended for adults. The author provides links to the manufactures product ingredients list so you can read for yourselves. Don't take his word for it.

  http://www.youngausskeptics.com/2009/05/vaccines-mercury-and-you/
• 
  132

  No Link Found Between Vaccine Mercury and Autism

  by leavingwt in

  1. social
  2. current

  some red meat for the anti-science crowd.

  no link found between vaccine mercury and autisma new government study adds to the evidence that thimerosal, a mercury-based preservative until recently found in many vaccines, does not increase children's risk of autism.. it shows kids who had been exposed as babies to high levels of the preservative -- through vaccines they received or their mothers received while pregnant -- were no more likely to develop autism, including two distinct subtypes of the condition.. .

  "this study should reassure parents about following the recommended immunization schedule," said dr. frank destefano, director of the immunization safety office at the centers for disease control and prevention (cdc) in atlanta, and the study's senior author.. .

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  cognizant dissident
• 
  404

  The Issue is Not that God WANTS Us to Suffer...

  by AGuest in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  dear ones.

  rather, it is our adversary who says we will do anything... anything... to avoid it.

  a-n-y-t-h-i-n-g. even curse god to his face.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  cognizant dissident

  Science will never support faith because they are two processes that are the antithesis of each other.

  Scientific discovery may lend scientific support to a belief that was previously only a matter of faith. That is not the same thing as the process of science supporting the process of faith.

  Once something is proven by science, then the belief in that thing is no longer a matter of faith. It has been proven in a measurable way.

  And before anyone puts up the tired old argument of "atheism can't be proved", let me just circumvent it by stressing that atheism is not science. Science is a method of fact gathering and studying. People constantly throw around the term "science" in these discussions as if it is some sort of living entity that replaces God and is worshipped.

  That analogy is ridiculous and is never used by actual scientists. It is only used by religionists who can't conceive of any other methodology of fact gathering as more accurate than faith and personal testimony.
• 
  404

  The Issue is Not that God WANTS Us to Suffer...

  by AGuest in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  dear ones.

  rather, it is our adversary who says we will do anything... anything... to avoid it.

  a-n-y-t-h-i-n-g. even curse god to his face.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  cognizant dissident

  Faith is sort of like science, but different in one key area. You start out with an unproven premise and you build upon that on the basis of measurable evidence gathered.

  If you built upon your unproven premise on the basis of personal beliefs, that would make you a theist, not a scientist.

  See the difference? No? Somehow, I thought you wouldn't.